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23 Apr, 2007

Anime Review: Ergo Proxy, Complete Series

Posted by: Rachel In: Anime Reviews

prox·y (prŏk’sÄ“) n., pl. -ies. :
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1. A person authorized to act for another; an agent or substitute.
2. The authority to act for another.
3. The written authorization to act in place of another.

Wouldn’t it be nice if life was like a dictionary? Having the ability to look up definitions in context for abstract concepts at a moment’s whim would be so handy that its inventor would slap down Bill Gates as top billionaire tyrant. For example: Johnny gets dumped by the love of his life and it’s the first time something like this happens, a quick flip and viola:

Break· up (brāk ŭp) n., v., pl. -s. :
n.
1. The after product of getting your heart ripped out and handed to you. (get over it)
v.
1. The act of ripping out your lover’s heart and handing it to them. (do it quick and get it over with)

It’s the simple things in life that make it worth living. And it’s the simplified things that make life easier. Ergo Proxy wasn’t simple, oh no, but the studio tried to simplify it. And since this was an anime that tried to convey abstract concepts in simple ways, it gets an “A” for effort from me.

Ergo Proxie cogitoErgo Proxy starts off with the all too familiar theme of futuristic dome life: Life underneath the Romdo Dome is good if you’re able to get there. Life under the Romdo is great if you’re a full citizen and life under the Romdo is paradise if you’re the Granddaughter of the Regent of the City.

Plot Summary

Real Mayar is the granddaughter of the city’s Regent and her life is a pampered one; all her needs and wants are met the minute they arise. Real is also an agent with the Citizen Intelligence Bureau, helping to keep the balance between the human citizens of Romodo and the robotic Autoraves who serve them.

A virus has been spreading among the Autoraves, infecting them with human emotions. Autoraves infected with this Cogito virus fall to their knees and appear to pray to Heaven. Afterwards, their new human emotions spur them to mad acts, such as murder and escape from the Dome. Real and her Entourage (a highly specialized type of Autorave) Iggy, are on the hunt for infected Autoraves and the root source of the virus itself.

Aside from hunting down the virus, Real’s duties as a CIB agent include interviewing witnesses and experts on Autoraves. One of these is the newcomer Vincent Law, who appears to have taken an intense liking to Real. The meeting leaves an impression with Iggy, but Real’s arrogance brushes the matter aside and she forgets the encounter within minutes. Iggy and Real then resume their duty of eliminating infected Autoraves.

After Real and Iggy uncover evidence of something more sinister than the Cogito virus, they find their investigation hampered and halted by the high council of Romodo. Incensed that she can’t fulfill her duty, Real strikes out on her own and falls prey to a mysterious “attack” by two monsters who crash through her apartment.

Ergo Proxie monadThe attack has a profound impact on Real and she can’t shake the feeling that the immigrant Vincent Law is somehow involved. Vincent, in the mean time, has his own problems with monsters, as one has been hunting him down ever since he came to Romodo.

Vincent had been trying to lie low in Romodo and blend in like a good citizen, but an easy life just isn’t in the cards for ‘ol Vince. As an immigrant he’s discriminated against and as a man, he’s ignored. He lives his life trying to please everyone around him and loses his identity in the process. Then, one day, he finds himself being pursued by an impossible creature that slays everything in its path. He blacks out after the thing corners him and wakes up aboard a subway train with no idea of how he got there.

Things quickly spiral out of control for Vincent and Real is facing trouble herself. When the two converge to problem solve together, Vincent is once again cornered, but this time it’s the Citizen Security Bureau that wants him. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, Vince makes a tough decision and with the help of a Cogito infected child Autorave, he leaves (actually that’s putting it nicely) the dome.

The rest of Ergo Proxy centers on Real, Vincent, and the child Autorave, Pino and their journey to uncover the mystery of the Proxies.

The idea for Ergo Proxy is vaguely reminiscent of Evangelion and a few other popular sci-fi anime. The flavor of these previous anime is present but not the overall story, which makes Ergo Proxy slightly influenced but still very original.

Ergo Proxie lessonsIn terms of concepts, Ergo Proxy takes nothing for granted. In trying to help the viewer understand what they’re seeing, Ergo Proxy has a “lesson” at the end of each anime explaining foreign terms and the contextual use of various psychological, historical, physiological, and mythological concepts. Aside from being difficult to read at times, these lessons can fall short at explaining the more pressing questions viewers may have.

So it’s great that I’m learning new Inca mythology (Whoo-hoo, mythology ROCKS!!!) but I’m still confused as why X happened and what the hell Incas had to do with it. This schooling reminded me of a math teacher I once had. He would get so excited over a new lesson and keep tapping the chalkboard with the chalk and saying “C’mon you can get this! See, it’s not so hard, you can so understand this!” Well no, I never did understand because cheery, motivating enthusiasm doesn’t make up for the inability to teach. That’s what Ergo Proxy’s school of understanding was: cheery enthusiasm without the ability to impart the necessary knowledge. But good try.

Ergo Proxie proxiesI liked the character designs with their feel of “This could be what you’re wearing at the end of days.” The Autoraves were designed humanoid but with enough technology showing to impart that they weren’t human; just meant to serve humans. The domes were also designed speculatively. I like my sci-fi that way: This could happen so pay attention! The proxies could actually have been a bit more inventive. They fit the speculative tone but I like a little outlandishness in my monsters.

The colors gave the designs sobriety. Everything was shades of gray or brown with red splashed up to give interest. The only happy colors were worn by the adorable Autorave, Pino and some of the crazy proxies. No happiness in the future I guess.

Ergo Proxie off shotThere were some, what I call, “off” shots dotted through out the anime. They would happen when a character was at an odd angle. The animation looked like it became derailed for a few secs then would hop back on the Quality Train. Weird. Other than that, the animation was well done.

I coulda sworn that U2 did the song for the incredibly long opening. It felt like the opening went on 4EVA. Monoral is the band/ man that performed the opening theme “Kiri”and it really is a good song, just long for an opening, IMO. The score, however, wasn’t outstanding in the series. I really didn’t even notice it at all aside from the opening and closing songs. It was one of those scores that blended away and made no impact on the story.

Japanese is the ONLY way to go with this anime. The Japanese voice actors really conveyed the intense emotions the characters were experiencing. That was some quality voice work right there so don’t miss out on it.

Ergo Proxie ergo and vinceErgo Proxy did a good job pulling me into the anime. I know I’m in the anime when characters start to elicit my sympathy or anger. I felt sorry for Vincent. He couldn’t seem to catch a break and the one person who loved him for himself was Pino, the Autorave. Real was a spoiled, self centered shrew who thought only about how other people could be use of use to her. She changed, but too slowly for me to ever warm up to her.

I had serious doubts as to whether this anime would keep my attention and have a decent ending, but it did and it had, although there were some rough patches along the way. By rough patches, I mean a handful of episodes that made me want to hit fast forward with a vengeance. I stuck in there, though, and if you do to, you may be surprised at how good Ergo Proxy can be.

Ergo Proxy gets outta OneKasugaiOneKasugaiOneKasugaiZero Kasugaifour gummies.

51 Responses to "Anime Review: Ergo Proxy, Complete Series"

1 | Chris

April 24th, 2007 at 11:11 am

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Good stuff, Rachel. Glad to see you picked up Ergo. I do have to disagree with you on the score though. I dig those funky techno beats. I wish I picked up the Best Buy pack that had the CD soundtrack instead of the single disc I actually purchased. Also, gotta love Radiohead’s Paranoid Android, which serves as the closing song. I love this series, love the feel, love the animation, love the story.

Good stuff.

2 | Rachel

April 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pm

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@Chris, I enjoyed Ergo Proxy, although I did have the urge to fast forward at a few episodes.

Hmm, ya know I love techno, but this score just didn’t stick. Maybe my music memory blows or I was too into the story to catch the tunes, either way I didn’t get too much from the score.

But, yes, good stuff indeed. ^^

3 | Mugen

May 14th, 2007 at 8:53 am

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Hey man… you are one of the best reviewers I have ever seen. You put things that I know but cant seem to put into words perfectly. You should be the guy working in all those big sites writing the reviews, not them. They suck… Way to go man. Keep it up..!!

4 | Michelle

June 12th, 2007 at 10:18 am

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Hi Rachel,
I enjoyed your review and I’m envious that you don’t have to wait for the final volume to comeout in english to know how the series ends.

I’m a romantic a heart and I was hoping you could spare me the disappointment if Love in Distopia proves undoable. Do Re-L and Vincent (whatever he ends up being) get together?

Feel free to respond to my email directly if you don’t think others would appreciate the spoiler, or be put off by the sentimentality of the question (after all “emotins are obsolete”).

Cheers.

5 | Mike

June 19th, 2007 at 7:35 am

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I’ve just finished watching the series myself on DVD (Jap with English subs) and I was utterly entranced by it, if a little confused.

Ergo Proxy reminded me in some respects of the brilliant Texhnolyze series. Firstly, in the muted colours and the respect shown for space and silence. Secondly in the way the fractured narrative assumes the audience is intelligent and feeds you just enough so you can get the gist of the plot and main ideas, while leaving the rest to either 1) repeated viewings, or 2) your own imagination. I loved it.

I spotted a few non-anime influences, one being Aldous Huxley’s novel “Brave New World”. There are no mums and dads and natural childbirth in Romodo as far as I can tell, just people born in test tubes. The resolution of the subplot involving robot child Pino and her real “father” I found very moving.

This is the kind of show I would just lend to friends, rather than trying to explain it and end up sounding like an idiot. :)

6 | Rachel

June 19th, 2007 at 11:32 am

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@Mugen, Thanks so much! I call ‘em as I see ‘em and I’m glad you enjoy my reviews!

@Michelle, don’t you like surprises? -^ I’m a spoiler-free type of gal but I will say this: The ending isn’t a let down like most anime.

@Mike, Haven’t seen Technolyze and actually haven’t heard much buzz for it (I know it’s been out a while) but that’s not to say it isn’t a good series.

Good call on the Brave New World reference; it does have the sense of a false Utopia with an impending doom.

7 | Kat

July 17th, 2007 at 8:04 pm

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In regards to the music, I picked up the same CD/DVD boxset at Best Buy several months ago (It was cheaper than buying just the DVD!) And I REALLY enjoy listening to it. However, when actually watching the episodes I didn’t really notice the music. Only a couple times was I like, “Hey, this is on my CD.”

Anyway, I loved your review…Just as much as I loved this anime! I wish there were more episodes for me to watch! : )

8 | Rachel

July 18th, 2007 at 7:48 am

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@Kat, I’m glad you like my review! Ergo Proxy had class yet wasn’t pretentious. That’s hard to do, IMO. They did a great job connecting the ideas with the crowd.

9 | Chris

July 18th, 2007 at 10:30 am

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Ergo Proxy for me took the place of Ghost in the Shell. I dug the movies, but really can’t get into the series. Maybe it’s not cerebral enough. My wife and I just finished the 4th disc of Proxy. Some great episodes on there, including the Nightmare Gameshow and the one where Re-L is getting pissed off about Vincent’s idiosyncrasies. Anyways, Rachel, about how many episodes are there? Will there be 5 or 6 discs total?

10 | Gwyn

July 18th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

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this is the best review. i just finished it. you described it amazingly. i origionaly watched it through to the 6th episode and then found my self confused. a little later i went back and watched it from the begining all the way through and it was so worth it. this is an amazing series! i find it really funny that i just happened upon its existance through a mention on a radiohead site, and then now that i finished it it occures to be others than the intro and ending songs i cant even remmeber any of the background music in the actual episode. it completely faded for me. ^^ i loved all thought that went into the concepts and visuals. just watching it makes me WANT to go study, and thats just strange.
thanks for the revew!

11 | mochi

July 19th, 2007 at 7:28 am

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@Chris

There are 23 episodes.

Geneon will be releasing 6 volumes.

Vol. 5 Terra Incognita is scheduled to be released on July 24.
It will contain episodes 17 - 20.

Vol. 6 Deus Ex Machina is scheduled to be released on Sept. 25.
It will contain episodes 21 - 23.

If you get FuseTV, they are showing the English dub at midnight
(depending on how you look at it, it’s either Friday nights or Saturday
mornings) ET.

Also, any Australians reading this, Ergo Proxy (English) airs on
ABC2 (digital) on Tuesday nights at 9pm.

12 | Rachel

July 19th, 2007 at 11:35 am

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@Chris, I couldn’t help but laugh a bit at your Ghost in the Shell/ cerebral reference. We went to see Paprika with some friends and it was my best friend’s first exposure to anime.

After the movie I asked her “How’d you like it?” In a nutshell: “I fell asleep.” Another friend said maybe Paprika wasn’t a good idea for her first taste of anime; he suggested Ghost In the Shell since it would keep her attention. In other words “Honey, you’re too dumb to understand Paprika. Go watch the big men point guns at other and you’ll be entertained.” Bwahahahah! That wasn’t his intent at all, but it was hilarious since my friend is the one of the most cerebral people I know. She actually said she’d re-watch (she had a rough work week and that’s why she nodded off) Paprika because it seemed like it had intellectual value. Anywho, yeah, Ghost in the Shell….

@Gwyn, I found myself getting impatient with the series in certain episodes. Sometimes the series seemed disjointed; like it was waiting for something to catch up with it. I think that something might have been the viewer’s understanding of what the hell was going on. However, unlike some series, Ergo Proxy invited everyone in on the plot, not the exclusive few that read forums, interview producers, and go on Wikipedia to try and find a clue. That’s why I didn’t discount EP when it started to get too lofty; I knew they’d spill the beans somehow and somewhere.

@Mochi, thanks so very much for looking that up! ^^b

13 | Chris

July 19th, 2007 at 7:25 pm

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Oh, but there I think you’re wrong. The Ghost in the Shell films have far less action per total runtime than other anime films. For example, in the first ghost in the shell there’s the opening shootout, the middle chase, and the end tank fight. Most of the other bits of the film are philosophizing about the nature of the soul and whether an android with memories and free will can be considered as having a soul. It’s all very “Do androids dream of electric sheep?”. The second film is even more so than the first.

I think if you want to watch “shit get blown up real nice” or “people die in cool ways”, you could recommend some insane mindless violence like Angel Cop or Fist of the North Star.

I think Ghost in the Shell: SAC really dumbed down the whole world of the films. I haven’t been able to make it through the second disc of the first cycle. :)

14 | Rachel

July 19th, 2007 at 7:34 pm

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@Chris, it’s been so long since I’ve seen the movies and series that I couldn’t tell ya which would be best for my friend to watch. But our other friend felt Ghost in the Shell (I don’t remember if he said which) woulda been a better intro into anime than Paprika. I’m not going to push anime down her throat but I bet now she’s curious as to what Ghost in the Shell is…

15 | ryan

August 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pm

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i agree with you on the character designs..I thought Ergo looked awesome wearing his magical mask with ribbons that seem to flow even when theres no wind.. actually i thought it was one of the highlights (haha, that isnt to say that all other aspects werent equally well done) Senex and Monad were equally cool-looking, but besides those 3, the proxies just looked like some generic ogres..

also i didnt like how in episodes 15-19, or something like that, there are 4 in a row where the proxies confront the characters singularlyin a dream..once would be ok but some actual confrontations wouldve been cool

im not sure why they made 23 episodes, if it didnt get the axe like Big O did, cause they rushed the end sort of and if they had made the full 26 i think it wouldve been better

i wish theyd continue it..only the shows i dont like (FMA and inuyasha) get like 50 episodies but this is done? i want more

hopefully Dai SATO’S next project is just as good

i dunno why they made 23 episodes

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18 | carlos marino ramirez ramos

October 6th, 2007 at 10:25 am

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for what you made many cuestions?

19 | zachary

October 11th, 2007 at 11:59 am

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it is a vary good show and i like it

20 | death brooks

October 26th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

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(I think therfore you are) that is the best question

21 | Matthew

October 28th, 2007 at 8:32 am

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Rachel,
Not to be confrontational…I understand where you’re coming from,
but I thought the slower pace of the series added to it’s viewing value. So many animes now speed through the plot so as to keep people coming for more cliff hangers, while completely missing the ‘quality’ part of good film making. Taking time to explain or fill in the minor details is why Charles Dickens made so many good books, or why Pulp Fiction is such a major classic. I loved the slow pace. My wife did too…and I thought she would hate anime for all time :B .
As for the sound track…it could have been better, but I still love techno, and the opening track was the best I’ve ever seen in anime yet. I want a cd from that band. Wow.

I thought you were spot on about the Proxies…they could definitely have been better. They just looked like trolls from a fairy tale…no imagination used on them. :(

You are the first reviewer whose opinion I’ve actually respected…you seem to have actually considered it objectively. Thank you so much for letting us have these reviews!!

Cpl Matthew Rodgers
United States Marines

22 | Rachel

October 29th, 2007 at 10:35 am

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@Matthew, Very good and very valid points. However, the pacing wasn’t what slowed Ergo Proxy down and made me want to fast forward repeatedly through the series; it was the long drawn out philosophical discussions on “being” that did that. No need to fill multiple episodes with windy discourses on the subject: one or two, maybe- three or four= fast forward.

Thanks for the compliment and you’re more than welcome!

23 | Matthew

November 5th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

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Rachel,

After reviewing some of the episodes, I can see where you’re coming from and what you mean. I think that has been a trademark of Manga for a long time… and probably not one of the better ones; this long winded philosophy class thrown in repeatedly. I do remember forwarding through a couple.

24 | Rachel

November 7th, 2007 at 11:44 am

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@Matthew, my most irksome experience with high-minded philosophy in manga was with my beloved Hellsing. Bah, action is action; gimme gore, it’s why I buy Hellsing in the first place.

But it being in this anime is not completely off-putting; it’s merely over done a bit and annoying.

25 | Ismael

December 26th, 2007 at 8:20 pm

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good review… really sums ir up all… just a few things that i really didnt get at the end like:

why is there two vincents in the last episodes?
what was the point of the quiz game show?
who was de psicologist in the episode where he is indside of real?

apart from all that.. great anime!! ive only seen evangelion( my first one) and this one

26 | dick van dyke

January 8th, 2008 at 8:06 am

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your gay all of you why would you talk about anime like all anime is good for is pornos :P xxx gotta love it who talks about offshots thats soo stupid dont critique pictures your fucking japaniese faggots

27 | Rachel

January 9th, 2008 at 10:27 am

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@dick van dyke, So you appreciate the way anime portrays coitus or are you a fan of all anime?

28 | ismael

January 18th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

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rachel, just ignore dick. but will u help me clarify the questions i previously asked? it will help me get around those loose ends!

29 | Rachel

January 18th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

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@Ismael,

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It’s because the one who had forgotten his memory was the main Vincent’s proxy. The Vincent with Real was a copy of the original, and was sent out into the world.

“what was the point of the quiz game show?”

Besides being annoying? It was to showcase the proxy of that area, who happened to be the game show host. It was very esoteric, but we know proxies have all kinds of powers. I guess this guy’s power was to be an irritating, nearly omniscient quiz show host.

who was de psicologist in the episode where he is indside of real?”

I don’t recall that scene; could you describe it further? But please put the word SPOILER at the top of your comments!

30 | ismael

January 25th, 2008 at 12:16 am

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In the last question, it in episode 20, when he finds himself inside of real and there is a woman who appears and talks to him and real, which is the psycologist.

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31 | Quentin Montejo

February 1st, 2008 at 3:20 am

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Just starting to watch this one. And yeah, I believe it would have been better’ if say it’s done by Studio Bones ;)

Artwise:
Incidentally, I can feel that Lil (Real / R-il) was made too special in her renditions. The rest look eerily like characters from Witch Hunter Robin minus the large foreheads. Ofcourse, the presence of autoraves lessened that feeling. There’s a lack of polish because this is trying to be a high-quality anime but some cuts on sequences are obviously seen.

Lil do obviously look like she’s modeled after Amy Lee of Evanescence in the Fallen album :o which makes her unique in a way. Look up ‘Ergo Proxy + Amy Lee’ in Google Images to see what I mean.

Novelty:
What I find interesting that most would overlook is how Iggy, Lil’s Entrourage autorave, is depicted as (and perhaps to some extent, the other autoraves such as Dorothy). Much like GITS, robots are given a ‘human’ feeling to it, capable of logic and reasoning like a machine. But in Ergo Proxy, given a level of empathy to humans, say monitoring their blood pressure and acting accordingly. This ‘aspect’ of reacting to a human’s moods makes them less robotic. That despite their memories getting wiped as easy as hard disks, they still have mechanisms that make them have ‘character’. But way way different than say, Astroboy. Then again I haven’t finished watching it all -_-

32 | Rachel

February 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

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@ Quentin Montejo, interesting insight into the series! I haven’t watched Witch Hunter Robin, but know what you mean about the artistic similarities.

I think this is a great series, with an interesting perspective. Tell me what you think after you’ve watched the whole thing!

33 | Alternator

February 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 pm

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I just finished watching this anime on DVD. The lessons at the end of every ep you mentioned they weren’t present on the dvds? (maybe we missed them somewhere, I watched it at my mates so don’t have the dvds myself).

I agree with pretty much everything your review said. The drawing quality, it was good nearly everywhere except a few places, and unfortunately it looked like the art direction changed slightly (for the worse) in the first episode back in Romdo at the end.

I also totally thought it was some little known U2 song used in the intro till I read up on it.

I’ve seen Technoloyze, and I did find it worth watching to the end. It just felt a little too dull for me.
And gits, well I have seen stand alone complex and if you can get far enough into the story arc it actually becomes easier to watch but it’s a ways in. I don’t consider the series to be trying to be as cerebral in philosophy terms like the movies were though, and the movies switched me off except for the action parts.
But Ergo Proxy although having heavy amounts of cerebral content had a distinct watch-ability, which I think goes to characters which you can enjoy watching and getting to know. And also the designs had a good level of surreal interest to them.

I do disagree on the background music though, I liked it. The mood I felt was well conveyed by the bgm such as when Vince is alone on his search etc. I suppose it comes down to taste like with all things though.

… Now I just gotta surf the net, and do a rewatch to see how much extra stuff I can pickup on from the story.

34 | Nik Radford

February 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

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*** POSSIBLE SPOILER?? ***

I’ve literally just finished watching Ergo Proxy myself. Though through fan-subs. I’ve enjoyed it sufficiently to see if I can get a copy on DVD here in the UK. I agree with alot of what you said, and I think I’ve strung enough of story together for it to make sense. I agree with someone elses comments that there we’re too many episodes existing in one character or anothers mind due to other proxies, (and it was mentioned somewhere in the anime that proxies could control anothers mind) It seems that these chance psychic encounters with the other proxies served no real purpose except to deepen the feelings the characters had for one another, yet I think that could of been done in a slightly better way. Overall though, it was a great Anime, one I’ll look forward to watching on DVD and a big TV instead of my computer monitor. And people are right, you are a good review. Consider yourself added to my live bookmarks :)

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35 | Rachel

March 3rd, 2008 at 8:43 pm

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@Alternator, the lessons were at the end of the episodes, and they were in English oddly enough. The DVDs don’t have them?

Gits, the series does get a bit drawn out in parts; the movies are better for keeping attention.

Now I have to go back and re-watch this series to hear the soundtrack again! All you readers say you really liked it…maybe I should give it another shot.

@Nik Radford, there were those few episodes in the anime which left me going, WTF is this?! But after pausing the anime and conversing with David about them, we figured out what was going in regards to proxies.

Thanks for the bookmark!

36 | Stu

March 20th, 2008 at 8:41 am

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Hello,

Thank for your review, I just finished the series yesterday and have been looking through the web for some insight to my lingering questions.

This is one of my favorite anime series,though a bit more cryptic than I’d prefer. I love the atmosphere and tone of the show, as well as the art direction.

I’m surprised by the somewhat negative remarks about the music score, I LOVED the mood and emotion that it could convey at times, enough so that I’m looking for the OST. But I too agree that the opening song is fantastic, though I never heard U2 in it, for me it was much more similar to the Smallville opening “Save Me” by Remy Zero ;)

I too enjoyed the slower pace of the show, but as in shows like “Lost” it seemed that as more was answered, more questions arose.

Spoilers…..sorta

I understand that there was a cataclysm, that protected cities were created (Logan’s Run anyone? heh), these cities were apparently made by the Proxy’s…

But I’m not clear as to what initially went wrong with the program, what caused the Proxy’s to become erratic.

I’m not clear as to why “Ergo/Vincent” decided to leave. Was mentioned that he was an imperfect god of Romdo. And was feeling despair? (can’t remember exactly)

I’m not clear as to the role that Monad plays. She apparently was the Proxy from the Moscow Dome. But it’s mentioned that she was at one time a “companion/lover?” of Ergo…

And how does the “clone” of Re-L develop and ultimately change into MonadII (which resembles an angel…who may or may not of been destroyed once breaking through the dome at the end. The last fragments seen could be of the dome and/or her destroyed by the sun (Icarus? heh)

So as you can see, while I LOVE the show I still have some unanswered questions.

If anyone here could provide any insight I’d be very grateful and appreciate the time and effort :)

Regards & Good Anime viewing 2 ALL!

Stu

37 | Rachel

March 20th, 2008 at 10:01 am

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@Stu, let me see if I can hep out with a few of your questions:

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“I’m not clear as to why “Ergo/Vincent” decided to leave.” I think he left to track down or draw out Monad or because he was bored.

I’m not clear as to the role that Monad plays. My understanding was that Monad and Ergo were indeed lovers. That’s why she keeps hunting Vincent down and why she cries.

And how does the “clone” of Re-L develop and ultimately change into MonadII Ah, if I remember correctly, that’s because Re-L is herself a failed clone of Monad. She never turned into Monad, which was her raison d’etre. The creepy doctor didn’t clone Re-L, he clones Monad, and he became disillusioned with Re-L when she never fulfilled her purpose.
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I hope I answered your questions Stu. If not or if I missed something, I hope other fans will fill in the blanks!

38 | Stu

March 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am

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Thanks a lot Rachel, I appreciate the reply :)

And yes that does help me quite a bit, I think that in a while I’ll re-watch the series knowing what I know now and try and pick up on some of the more subtle clues that I’m sure I missed the first time through heh

I was also able to find these websites (wiki) that through reading them this morning have really helped my understanding of the whole “big picture” of the story and some about the different characters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergo_Proxy_glossary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ergo_Proxy_characters

Perhaps they will help others who are interested or fans of the show as well :)

Thanks again, I’m glad I found your Blog!

Regards

Stu

39 | Rachel

March 24th, 2008 at 8:32 am

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@Stu, wiki is great for filling in the blanks with anime. And thanks for reading!

40 | Derek

March 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am

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Hmn, well I gotta say that in terms of both watchability and complexity of plot, Ergo Proxy makes GITS look darn near paltry.

A few points that may clear up some discussion:

1. Ergo Proxy was indeed created by Proxy One to go out and journey (for the reasons stated by Proxy One himself in the last episode), but the real implication presented is that Ergo/Vincent was ALSO sent out to eliminate the other Proxies from their respective domes, as the advent of humanity’s return (AKA the creators) was soon to come, and there was no need for their existences any longer, hence Ergo’s title as the Messenger/Proxy of Death.

2. The fact that Mosque was annhilated and the fact that Vincent was “immigrating” from that same place is probably more than a coincidence. It may have even been the place Ergo ran too after he abandoned Romdeau.

One thing I’ve been wondering about, though, is whether or not Vincent/Ergo is immune to the destructive effects of sunlight. It’s kinda implied at the very end, but if anyone has anything more definitive….

41 | Rachel

March 25th, 2008 at 7:49 am

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@Derek,

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I don’t know the answer to whether or not Vincent is immune to sunlight. It may be one of those loose end ending where it’s up to the viewer to decide for themselves.

42 | Alternator

April 1st, 2008 at 2:12 am

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43 | sixx

May 5th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

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ahhh. i finished watching the ep and i must say i liked it. any idea where i could get the music they played during those lessons at the end of the ep though >.<

44 | Rachel

May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 am

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@@sixx, you can get the Ergo Proxy soundtrack at Amazon and CD Universe, to name a couple places.

45 | Wbroad

June 14th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

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Ok i just watched the whole 6 vol and i was wondering if anyone else was confused at the very end, where Re-L and Peno are back on the boat and turning around for him and you see him thinking to himself just as the ships from orbit are coming in and he calls himself the Proxy of Death.. Any one else got any ideas on this as it seems he won the girl saved his butt and mankind is returning to earth why would he be worryed about continuing his duty as a Ergo Proxie..

46 | Rachel

June 18th, 2008 at 10:10 am

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@Wbroad, it’s been a year since I watched the anime, and I can’t quite remember the context of him thinking that, sorry. Maybe other readers can help fill in the blanks!

47 | passerby

October 18th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

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What a ship wreck. The series worked to be deep, but the plot became contrived near the end.

The references to modern philosophers (Kristeva) and important issues (environmental effect of methane hydrates, genetic manipulation or adaptation) added substance. Crucial elements of the plot, however, fundamentally relied on irrationality and ‘fate’ (codeword for events that can’t be explained), something more appropriate for juvenile titles. This is very odd for Manglobe coming off of the brilliant writing of Samurai Champloo.

For instance, there’s a big collapse at the end just because of impulsive nihilism (as explained), but also because they needed a convenient big bang to end the series with some nifty rescues and a sense of closure. Despair doesn’t reasonably explain the specific actions of other important side-characters. Deux ex machina and ‘fate’ also become tiresome after a while.

On the other hand, the animation is masterful and the voice acting was top-notch. I enjoyed watching the high production value. The (possible) twists between the different characters and their histories was also thought provoking.

Overall, the early episodes were so-so plot-wise, the middle episodes started getting creative and interesting, and the series fell flat at the end. The build-up was squandered to accomodate cliched events that seem to be on a check-list.

48 | Rachel

October 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm

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@passerby, while I do agree that the anime had a very lofty air, it did manage to be somewhat profound. What I disliked were the explanations at the end of the episodes defining ideas that might’ve gone over the heads of some viewers. It’s not too profound after it’s been explained.

But I do think the anime pulled off a few of those airs nicely. As to the ending being what it was, I think the threads of the story were woven together well enough that I didn’t think I’d been gypped out of a decent ending. At the same time, the ending left me asking myself some questions. I liked the fact that not everything was offered up too tidily.

49 | GGear0323

October 24th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

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while there are still some questions lurking, they explained pretty much everything. the Proxies didnt go crazy exactly. like any other ‘agent’/autoriev, they had a ‘program they had to accomplish, cradle humanity until the earth healed itself. at that point they were no longer needed. hence the need of some of them to fight and die, while other pleaded for their life (the smile land proxy in particular).

actually Will B. Good from Smile Land did kind of answer some questions almost like an afterthought. he pretty much said that if the proxies were to meet, they would HAVE to fight. so in a sense, you can see how Vince’s ‘journey’ was a way of killing off other proxies (hence his title as agent of death, also it is inevitable. where else is there to go in the world than other Domes/other proxies) in a way, you can say his ‘journey’ still continues. those planes at the end most likely are from another dome, coming to see what happened and possibly pick up ‘immigrants’ just like Romdo invited immigrants from Mosk after its destruction. (that just came to me as i was typing this and makes sense as to why Vincent does his whole “i am the agent of death” while smiling at the end. that is not a bad thing per se, he goes around freeing humans on their dependency of Domes and their proxies. still, it is just a quick theory)

as a side note, those pseudo dream episodes and just all around crazy episodes didnt bother me all that much. i watched the entire series at once and they helped calm things down a bit. i liked the game show, i like Smile land, the episode with Vincent in Re-l’s body inside Romdo was weird but entertaining , still confusing though, the one i really didnt like was the one with the 2 Vincents and 2 Re-ls and it had that “Groundhog Day” vibe to it. it was confusing and didnt mean anything. yeah it showcased another proxy and its power, but it didnt seem necessary. though, overall, i loved this show and would definitely watch it again. (WOW that was long)

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50 | GGear0323

October 24th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

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also, episode 16, the one about just Re-l, Pino (best character ever), and Vincent living day to day, was one of if not the best character study episodes ever. it was just perfect and really changed how a lot of people felt about Re-l at that point. a true standout episode from a standout anime series.

51 | GGear0323

October 24th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

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anyway, the only wrench in that outlook is to the reason why Vincent would want to fight against the original humans, as far as what was stated, they are not coming back to do anything bad. just to live on Earth again. then again he doesnt technically have to fight anyone. his being alive is enough to go against the creator’s original plan of their being no Proxies when they got back. Proxy One does say that Vincent’s existence would be his symbol of defiance against he creators. but if he didnt have to fight then that would NOT explain his whole “i am Ergo Proxy, the agent of Death” saying at the end..with a smile. he didnt look like he said it in a nice way either. whatever. that just gives me more of an excuse to watch it again.

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